Practically everyone has their off days when it comes to winged eyeliner. Even professional makeup artists must have to wipe and retry every once and a while, right? The wing is too long, too thick, not sharp enough—whatever it might be, don’t sweat it! There are tons of tips and tricks to help you get a nice, crisp wing from helpful sources all over the internet.

The following image tutorials suggest outlining the wing before filling it in:

And definitely check out more tutorials, suggestions, and winged eyeliner trends over on Pinterest’s winged eyeliner board: If you can’t find or create a wing that works for your eyes or eye shape yet, like I said—don’t sweat it! It takes time to perfect any type of makeup, winged eyeliner included. I’ve been sporting it for years now—it’s one of my favorite looks, so dramatic and fun—and I still have to really work at it sometimes. It can be frustrating, but in my eyes, it’s totally worth it.

While it’s true that tutorials help immensely to create perfect wings, one of the key aspects that helps is a steady hand. But if that’s not you, don’t worry—that’s certainly not all it takes. Sometimes it can be your choice of eyeliner that throws you off!

For example, while Sephora brand liquid eyeliners come in dozens of captivating colors, there are better alternatives when it comes to liquid liners with staying power. And with winged eyeliner, it’s all about staying power! Here are two of my absolutely favorite liquid liners that keep my wings looking sharp for hours on end: Marc Jacobs Magic Marc’er and Kat Von D Tattoo Liner. And for something a little cheaper, try Stila’s Stay All Day Waterproof Liquid Eyeliner.

Kat, Marc, and years of practice have been my saviors when it comes to the brilliant yet hard-to-perfect look of winged eyeliner. Who and what are some of yours?